Thursday, June 3, 2010

Mr. Magister, Fr. Zuhlsdorf, and others on the Vatican-S.S.P.X. doctrinal discussions

In his commentary, [Prof. Eberhard] Schockenhoff correctly writes that the real disagreement between the Church of Rome and the Lefebvrists does not concern the Mass in Latin, but the teaching of Vatican II, especially on ecclesiology and on freedom of conscience and religion.

I'm not sure what Prof. Schockenhoff means by "the Mass in Latin"; if he's referring simply to the language in which the Old or New Masses are celebrated then he's right to say that the "real disagreement" is elsewhere, but the biggest problem is still the Novus Ordo Missæ, even when it is celebrated in as superficially 'Tridentine' a manner as possible. As bad as Dignitatis humanæ is it, it is only a single Act of the Ordinary (but certainly not the universal) Magisterium, whereas every time the New Mass is celebrated we have another Magisterial Act (at least when celebrated by a Bishop) propagating the Modernist, Protestant, humanist and Judaising influences which pervade the N.O.M.

Mr. Magister goes on:

But [Prof. Schockenhoff] also writes that Rome is wrong to whip up restrictive interpretations of the conciliar texts to offer to the Lefebvrists in the hope that these will be accepted by them. Because in Schockenhoff's view, this is exactly what is happening in the closed-door meetings organized by "Ecclesia Dei."

That is interesting. The problem with most of the Second Vatican Council's output is not that it is erroneous, but that it is ambiguous. As such, most of the documents could be rectified by the Pope promulgating 'Preliminary Notes of Explanation' like the one attached to Lumen gentium. But I fear that this would not work for Dignitatis humanæ.

Fr. Zuhlsdorf says in his post that

It seems to me that if a basic foundation of a common interpretation can be formed between the Holy See and the SSPX, then the issue of religious liberty shouldn’t have to be a deal breaker.

Now defenders of the Traditional doctrine on the proper relations between the State and 1. Christ the King, 2. Christ's Church, and 3. offenders of the Catholic religion could certainly share "a basic foundation of a common interpretation" of Dignitatis humanæ. But we can never interpret a document in such a way as to contradict its literal and grammatical sense (except, obviously, where figures of speech are used, but that is not relevant here), and that document teaches quite clearly that the criterion by which the State should judge whether or not to repress offenders of the Catholic religion is not the common good in all its elements, but only the subset of those elements which make up what it calls "public order" (see the last paragraph of its section 7.). And how is it even possible to talk of a 'right not to be restrained' from committing offences against the Catholic religion, regardless of whatever 'due limits' are involved, when the object of a true and proper right can only ever be what is true and good, never that which is opposed to truth and goodness?

As for the extract from the (rightly or wrongly) celebrated 'hermeneutic of continuity' speech by the Holy Father which Mr. Magister appends to his article, see my comment here.

Reginaldvs Cantvar
Feast of Corpus Christi, A.D. 2010

Notes: Thursday, June 3, 2010

"Italy pays women not to abort"

ROME: In a policy, welcomed by anti-abortion campaigners but dismissed by critics as propaganda, women in northern Italy who cannot afford to have their babies are to be offered E4500 ($6600) not to have an abortion.

Roberto Formigoni, the centre-right governor of the Lombardy region, said yesterday the offer was to fulfil his pledge in regional elections in March that no woman should have to have an abortion because of economic difficulties.

[...] In the regional poll, centre-right candidates also vowed to ban the RU486 abortion pill days after it was made available.

Abortion has been available on demand in Italy since 1978.

[http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/italy-pays-women-not-to-abort/story-e6frg6so-1225874706258]

Augusto Colombo, a gynaecologist in Milan, said that there had been an increase in demands for abortion, which was attributable to the economy.
[http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/lombady-offers-women-money-to-not-have-abortion/story-e6frg6so-1225874533852]

"Government: Too Much, Too Little?"

I don't have time to read this now, but it looks interesting:

http://angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31909

"Mt Sinai is in Israel, not Egypt, says archaeologist"

Nonsense, but interesting:

http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=21670

Fr. Zuhlsdorf, Terra, and others on whether layfolk pray liturgically

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/06/quaeritur-do-laypeople-pray-liturgically-when-praying-the-office/#comments
http://australiaincognita.blogspot.com/2010/06/can-laity-pray-liturgically.html

I thought that when layfolk fulfill what would for clerics be a liturgical function, then what they're doing is not a liturgy--a paraliturgy, perhaps, but not liturgy properly so called. But Terra and others (see the link to Fr. Zuhlsdorf's post's combox above here) disagree. I'm not sure what to make of it all.

Blog comments by me

Just one today, at Mr. Schütz's blog:

Cardinal Pole
June 3, 2010 at 4:44 am

“And where was this in the previous, by the RCC’s count 1925, years of the church’s existence?”

Being lived out in and by however many Catholic Confessional States existed for the sixteen hundred or so years from the time the Roman Empire made Christianity the State religion to the present situation, where only one or two States confess the Catholic religion. Legitimate doctrinal development is the making explicit of what was previously only implicit, and Quas Primas is one of many such explications throughout the Church’s history.

Christ is God, and God’s Kingdom is three-fold: The Kingdom of nature, of grace, and of glory. To say that God is King of nature is to say that He gives things their respective natures and directs them towards their respective ends by means suitable to each, and it is the natural law by which He directs humans towards their natural end. So He is the Legislator of the natural law and the Author and source of authority of every natural institution. Hence Christ is (objectively) King of each and every family, each and every State, and the whole human race (regardless of whether they subjectively acknowledge and honour this Kingship). So to say that

“There is no such thing as the Social Reign of Christ”

would seem to be to deny at least one of the following:

1. That Christ is God.
2. That He imposed the natural law and that all authority comes from Him.
3. That the State is an institution of the natural law.

As for the post-Conciliar subversion of the Feast of Christ the King: I’m well aware of all that, with one exception: What is the RCL?

[http://scecclesia.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/simon-shama-on-the-snares-of-history-for-the-secular-humanist/#comment-15061]

Reginaldvs Cantvar
Feast of Corpus Christi, A.D. 2010