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Reginaldvs Cantvar
Feast of St. Bibiana, Virgin, Martyr, A.D. 2009
Australian Catholic and secular news commentary from an uncompromisingly Traditional, arch-reactionary perspective
Announcement of new appointments to the Order of the Thistle, 29 November 2009
THE FOLLOWING ANNOUNCEMENT IS ISSUED BY THE PRESS SECRETARY TO THE QUEEN
The Queen has been graciously pleased to appoint the following to be Knights of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle:
The Right Honourable the Lord Hope of Craighead, PC, FRSE
The Right Honourable the Lord Patel
Notes:
The Order of the Thistle represents the highest honour in Scotland. It is second only in precedence in the UK to the Order of the Garter. The Order honours Scottish men and women who have held public office or who have contributed in a particular way to national life.
Find out more about the Order of the Thistle
VATICAN CITY, 30 NOV 2009 (VIS) - The Holy Father today received in separate audiences:His Imperial and Royal Highness, who turned ninety-seven a couple of weeks ago (presumably he received a belated birthday Apostolic Blessing from the Holy Father) is the son of Bl. Charles of Austria. Another German prince was received in a Papal audience recently, too:
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I never did see what the "heresy of Modernism" actually entailed, since most of its features, especially the subvariant "Americanism", seemed to be existing only in the Roman Curial imagination. It certainly wasn't related to any overwhelming trends or developments in ny country's history that I could recognize.
[kaythegardener, USA, Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 19:42]
I have no longer access to research "Modernism" but my recollection is that it was not modernism that was condemned by PiusX, but what he thought it might develop into.
I came across the same thing in Veritatis splendor
in which JPII condemned the "errors" of the theory of Fundamental Option. The late Josef Fuchs retorted that the views in the encyclical were not supported by any reputable moral theolgian in the world.
This modern Cardinal Pole may be doing a lot of similar "reading between the lines".
[PatrickW , Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 15:54]
For those who can't be bothered doing the research, there are now two (2) Cardinals Pole. The new young claimant is a local lad - geographically challenged, as he claims both the Wollongong diocese and Sydney as his home.
However, he seems to be unaware of Cardinal Pole the Elder's near run-in with the Italian Inquisition, due to his palling around with the Spirituali, in Rome, Viterbo and probably elsewhere. The Spirituali wanted (among other things) to reverse the separation between Catholics and Proddies - in fact to reverse the Reformation. Pole thought that would be a great move (and who can disagree with him), as it would require a restructuring of the entire Catholic Church. He missed being elected Pope by one miserable vote, otherwise we would probably be singing from the same hymn-sheet as the Presbyterians et al.
Either by good luck or God's blessing, he avoided the Inquisition's tender ministrations, and returned to England. There is a book available from Amazon called "Heresy and Obedience in Tridentine Italy. Cardinal Pole and the Counter-Reformation".
I think we must count Reginald Cardinal Pole (the genuine) among the Spirituali, and wanna-be Cardinal Pole, among the Intransigenti.
[gemstones , Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 13:14]
Is This Guy a Catholic? (Main Forum)
by Ian Elmer, 'Brisbane, Australia', Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 10:45 (8 days ago) @ TonySee
Hmmm! So basically the dear old Cardinal has a problem with anything other than a literal reading of the scriptures and Church doctrine. Adam and Eve sinned; God had to sacrifice his son to pay the debt! Oh, and I noticed the reference to the falsity of Darwinianism. I suspect that the adoption of the name of a medieval prelate is appropriate; this blogger seems to have missed the boat to the modern world.
I find it interesting that he seems to have a problem with idea of a “symbolic” appreciation of our traditions. But isn’t the concept of “symbol” inherent to the entire sacramental character of Catholic theology? Is not the Church the “sign” or “sacrament” that points to the presence of God in the world? Are not our sacraments “visible signs of invisible grace”? Is this guy even a Catholic? He seems to completely misunderstand Catholic theology, not to mention fundamental human communication.
Concrete signs and symbols are necessary if we are to indicate and/or express hidden realities or complex ideas. The Scripture are not historical or scientific textbooks and the life, death and resurrection of Jesus are far more than mere historical events. Both point to realities beyond normal sense-experience. They express realities that underpin all existence, but are not available to the senses per se - they depend on faith.
P.S. (Added later) I just noticed this additional comment from the dear od Cardinal:
[quotation, taken from me]Sadly, Dr. Elmer's theology is entirely consonant with the theology of the New Mass.[/quotation]
So, does that mean that I am not a "modernist" after all, but just a good old post-Vatican II Catholic theologian? And does it also mean that Cardinal Pole sees the Church Fathers at Vatican II as "Modernists"? I guess we are all in good company People, since this site is dismissed as thoroughly "Modernist". Well done! Take a bow!
'Ian J. Elmer
find[s] it interesting that [I seem] to have a problem with idea of a “symbolic” appreciation of our traditions. But isn’t the concept of “symbol” inherent to the entire sacramental character of Catholic theology?
Vatican II Essential to Catholicismby Ian Elmer, 'Brisbane, Australia',Beginning with his last sentence, one must ask: How can a Council which, of itself, did not teach a single proposition definitively be regarded as being “as foundational as Nicea or Constantinople”? Going back a sentence, Dr. Elmer writes that the “acceptance of Vatican II is essential”. But Vatican II can be regarded as “essential” neither in the sense of at least implicit adherence to its documents being absolutely necessary for right Faith, nor in the sense that Vatican II belongs to the essence of the Church, as though without Vatican II the Church would be corrupted. So I ask of Dr. Elmer: Given that “[he] wish[es] we could quietly step away from the doctrine of [Papal] infallibility” (source), yet the doctrine of Papal Infallibility was the object of an irreformable definition of an Ecumenical Council, why is it so wrong to wish that we could “quietly step away” from Vatican II, which only produced a collection of pastoral essays?
Thursday, November 19, 2009, 12:45 (8 days ago) @ PatrickW
Actually, Patrick, my problem was even more fundamental. Clearly, this latter-day Cardinal Pole rejects Vatican II and the reforms, especially liturgical, that flowed from it. It must be remembered that despite Benedict's overtures to the separated SSPX any of these wishing to return to the fold must accept Vatican II. The acceptance of Vatican II is essential. In many ways, Vatican II is as foundational as Nicea or Constantinople.
'Ian J. Elmer
After discussing the Holy See’s track record in the area of interreligious dialogue, Archbishop Migliore pointedly reminded those assembled that it is far more important for the UN to promote religious freedom than to discuss the role of religion in international conflicts. “Having in mind the spirit and the word of the UN Charter as well as core juridical instruments,” he said, “it is safe to say that the United Nations' specific and primary responsibility vis-à-vis religion is to debate, elucidate and help States to fully ensure, at all levels, the implementation of the right to religious freedom as affirmed in the relevant UN documents which include full respect for and promotion not only of the fundamental freedom of conscience but also of the expression and practice of everybody's religion, without restriction.Here are some other quotations: Condemned ex Cathedra:
the best plan for public society, and civil progress absolutely requires that human society be established and governed with no regard to religion, as if it did not exist, or at least, without making distinction between the true and the false religions.Condemned ex Cathedra:
[Quanta cura, Encyclical of Bl. Pius IX,
http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma17.php]
the best condition of society is the one in which there is no acknowledgment by the government of the duty of restraining, by established penalties, offenders of the Catholic religion, except insofar as the public peace demands.Condemned ex Cathedra:
[Ibid.]
liberty of conscience and of worship is the proper right of every man, and should be proclaimed and asserted by law in every correctly established society; that the right to all manner of liberty rests in the citizens, not to be restrained by either ecclesiastical or civil authority; and that by this right they can manifest openly and publicly and declare their own concepts, whatever they be, by voice, by print, or in any other way.Continuity or rupture?
[Ibid.]
Hockey uses the logic he condemnsI submitted a letter to the editor (under my real name, of course!), providing Mr. Leer’s desired explanation, but neither it nor such an explanation from any other correspondent has been published. I find this disappointing; one would expect that if the topic were, say, the climate change debate, then if a supposedly pluralist newspaper published a letter whose author posited a certain piece of data as a ‘killer fact’ against the case for climate change then that newspaper would publish a letter refuting this ‘killer fact’ if such a letter were received and met the newspaper’s criteria for publication of correspondence. The same reasoning is clearly valid here too: Given that Mr. Leer adduces Matthew 5:18 as a ‘killer fact’ against the argument for the abolition of the Old Law, one might have hoped that, if for no other reason than balance, the Herald would have published a rejoinder to it if it received one (which, of course, it did)—especially given that Mr. Leer all but demands such a rejoinder. Disappointing though this is, there is an upside: I now have the opportunity to elaborate on these matters without revealing my identity! (And there's another upside, which I only noticed as I re-read this post after publishing it: One of my Scriptural citations was incorrect—as you will see shortly, I wrote "Jn. 5:28", but it should be Jn. 19:28.)
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At last, we are told we don't have to take the Old Testament literally. So, as the Reverend Con Campbell tells us (Letters, November 11), we can now ignore Leviticus and don't have to stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, or sacrifice goats and sheep. Presumably, we can also ignore the bit where it says homosexuality is an abomination. Thank God for that.
Ian Matthews Bondi
Con Campbell says that although the Hebrew Bible pointed to Jesus and was fulfilled in Him, Jesus gave his followers a ''new law, which is why we don't stone people … or sacrifice goats and sheep''. Yet Matthew 15.4 says: ''For instance, God's law is 'honour your father and mother; anyone who reviles his parents must die.'''
This is hardly new. It repeats Exodus 21.17 and Leviticus 20.9. When I read Matthew, it points straight back to the Old Testament.
John Lees Castlecrag
If Old Testament law was superseded by the ''new'' law of the New Testament, I wonder if Con Campbell can explain the words of Jesus in Matthew 5.18: ''I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished.''
How then can any Christian so lightly dismiss the laws Jesus himself unequivocally proclaimed as remaining in full force to this very day, and beyond?
Damien Leer Goulburn
Damien Leer wonders how to explain Matthew 5:18 if the Old Law was abolished (Letters, November 12). The explanation is to be found in St. John’s Gospel: Mr. Leer’s quotation says that the Law will not pass “until everything is accomplished”, and as His Passion drew to its end Our Lord knew “that all things were now accomplished” (Jn. 5:28), so that by His death the New Testament replaced the Old Law. Thus the Old Law died on the Cross.Let’s begin by having a closer look at the Scriptural citations: In the Douay-Rheims version, Matthew 5:18 says
For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.Turning now to St. John’s Gospel, Chapter Nineteen, we find the following:
[http://www.newadvent.org/bible/mat005.htm—see the accompanying gloss at this web page for an explanation of the meaning of “amen” in this context]
28 Afterwards, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, said: I thirst. 29 Now there was a vessel set there, full of vinegar. And they, putting a sponge full of vinegar about hyssop, put it to his mouth. 30 Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said: It is consummated. And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.So the Old Law was to last till, in Mr. Leer’s version, “everything [was] accomplished”. And by the time Christ’s Passion was consummated, everything was indeed accomplished, so that the Old Law passed.
[http://www.newadvent.org/bible/joh019.htm]
29. And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area - He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the House of Israel [30] - the Law and the Gospel were together in force; [31] but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees [32] fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, [33] establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race.[34] "To such an extent, then," says St.Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, "was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from the many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as Our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom." [35]So Mr. Leer’s dilemma is a false one. (I would like to bring this to his attention, but although he has an eponymous Blogspot blog, it is inaccessible to me. Perhaps if there are any Facebook users here they could let him know via his Facebook account, or page, or whatever the right word is.) Now to consider Mr. Lees’s letter: He says that
30. On the Cross then the Old Law died, soon to be buried and to be a bearer of death, [36] in order to give way to the New Testament of which Christ had chosen the Apostles as qualified ministers; [37] and although He had been constituted the Head of the whole human family in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, it is by the power of the Cross that our Savior exercises fully the office itself of Head of His Church. "For it was through His triumph on the Cross," according to the teaching of the Angelic and Common Doctor, "that He won power and dominion over the gentiles";[38] by that same victory He increased the immense treasure of graces, which, as He reigns in glory in heaven, He lavishes continually on His mortal members; it was by His blood shed on the Cross that God's anger was averted and that all the heavenly gifts, especially the spiritual graces of the New and Eternal Testament, could then flow from the fountains of our Savior for the salvation of men, of the faithful above all; it was on the tree of the Cross, finally, that He entered into possession of His Church, that is, of all the members of His Mystical Body; for they would not have been untied to this Mystical Body through the waters of Baptism except by the salutary virtue of the Cross, by which they had been already brought under the complete sway of Christ.
[Footnotes:]
30. Cf. Matth., XV, 24.
31. Cf. St. Thos., I-II, q. 103, a. 3, ad 2.
32. Cf. Eph., II, 15.
33. Cf. Col., II, 14.
34. Cf. Matth., XXVI, 28; I Cor., XI, 25.
35. Leo the Great, Serm., LXVIII, 3: Migne, P.L. LIV, 374.
36. Jerome and Augustine, Epist. CXII, 14 and CXVI, 16: Migne, P.L., XXII, 924 and 943; St. Thos., I-II, q. 103, a. 3, ad 2; a. 4; ad 1; Council of Flor. pro Jacob.: Mansi, XXXI, 1738.
37. Cf. II Cor., III, 6.
38. Cf. St. Thos. III, q. 42, a. 1.
[my bold-type emphasis]
Yet Matthew 15.4 says: ''For instance, God's law is 'honour your father and mother; anyone who reviles his parents must die.'''But this is precisely what one would expect, since, as Pius XII taught, “while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area … the Law and the Gospel were together in force”. So execution for reviling one parents was obligatory for Jews before Our Lord’s death, but afterwards, the punishment to be applied is left to the discretion of families (which obviously do not have the authority to impose the death penalty), the Church and the State. Nevertheless, the wages of sin is death, and if cursing one’s parents no longer incurs death of the body, it certainly continues to incur death of the soul (assuming, of course, that the usual criteria are met—grave matter, full advertence, free choice). For the Commandment to honour one’s parents—and the corresponding prohibition against reviling them—is a matter of natural law; and although positive law (such as the Mosaic Code) enacted by a competent legislator can, among other things, state the natural law explicitly and impose in this life sanctions proportionate to those which transgressors would expect to face in the next life, the absence of such positive law by no means extinguishes the binding force of the natural law of which it was an expression. With this in mind we turn, finally, to Mr. Matthews’s letter, in which he says that
This is hardly new. It repeats Exodus 21.17 and Leviticus 20.9. When I read Matthew, it points straight back to the Old Testament
At last, we are told we don't have to take the Old Testament literally. So, as the Reverend Con Campbell tells us (Letters, November 11), we can now ignore Leviticus and don't have to stone people to death for working on the Sabbath, or sacrifice goats and sheep. Presumably, we can also ignore the bit where it says homosexuality is an abomination.Let’s look at each of his points in turn: Now as a matter of natural law one must set aside a certain portion of one’s week for rest from unnecessary servile work in order to elevate one’s thoughts to the higher things. In the absence of positive law, the particular day of the week to set aside is one’s own choice. In the positive law of the Old Law, that day was from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. But this positive law no longer applies, so Mr. Matthews is right on this count. (Though for those under the spiritual authority of the Church, of course, we are bound by the positive law of abstaining from unnecessary servile work from 12:00 A.M. Sunday till 12:00 A.M. Monday, under pain of grave sin.) Also as a matter of natural law, the virtue of religion requires that one offer up sacrifices of some sort to God. In the absence of positive law, the particular thing(s) to be sacrificed is (are) left to one’s own decision. The positive law of the Old Law prescribed a number of different offerings and the manner in which to be offered, but these prescriptions are no longer in force, so Mr. Matthews is also right on this count. (Though for those under the spiritual authority of the Church, we must offer up sacrifices such as the various fasts and abstinences.) But Mr. Matthews fails on the last count: as a matter of natural law, homosexuality is intrinsically disordered (since ‘order’ is, by definition, a principle of direction towards some end, and human sexuality, like all animal sexuality, is ordered towards procreation) and buggery (‘laying with a man as with a woman’, as the Old Law puts it) is intrinsically evil, since it is an abuse of the faculties from which it proceeds (which is of the definition of intrinsic evil). Whereas a competent legislator can revoke or replace a positive law if that law ceases to conduce to the good of those whom it binds, natural law can never cease to conduce to the good of those whom it binds, since the good is, by definition, that which suits the nature of the being which desires it, and so it (the natural law) is irrevocable, applying as long as a thing’s nature is its nature, as long as a thing is what it is—which is to say, forever. Buggery suits the nature of neither the sodomite nor the catamite in any respect, and so the natural law can never cease to proscribe it.
In this view [the one which Dr. Elmer is proposing], the doctrine of original sin retains a strong mythic quality that continues to speak to human inadequacy and limitation – inadequacies and limitations that can, if unchecked by recourse to God, lead to sin, depravity and tragedy. The concept of original sin evolved out of our shared experience of being limited humans as well as our shared experience of being totally dependent upon God for redemption and salvation from those limitations.So we have an explicit statement of the Modernist principles of the primacy of experience and the evolution of doctrine—“[t]he concept of original sin evolved out of our shared experience …”—and an implicit re-statement of Fr. Dresser’s Modernist notion that “doctrine is for people, not people for doctrine”—Dr. Elmer says that “[his heretical] doctrine of original sin retains a strong mythic quality that continues to speak to human inadequacy and limitation”, as, of course, it must if it is to have any value for a Modernist. But I say that Dr. Elmer distances himself from Fr. Dresser’s Pelagianism insofar as he acknowledges that humans are “totally dependent upon God for redemption and salvation from [their] limitations”.
I made the point that Original Sin makes no sense in the scientific world we live in. By suggesting that it was because of a disdemeanour committed by Adam and Eve that death came into the world ignores the fact that our world has been evolving for millions of years and our universe for something like 16 billion years with all the death and all the chaos that goes with this evolutionary process. Men and women did not fall from any kind of preternatural existence. They are the result of an evolutionary process! And so it seems to me that it is not possible for the Doctrine of Original Sin and our cosmologiclall world outlook to coexist.
Euthanasia isn't legal under Australian law but is supported by most Australians. Last week, for instance, a Newspoll of 1201 Australians found 85 per cent approved of a doctor providing a lethal dose to a suffering patient with no chance of recovering, after the patient requested the dose.Mr. Pearson provides more detail, quoting the text of the question put to survey respondents:
The South Australian bill's advocates often cite in its defence what they call overwhelming popular support. They point to a Newspoll that asked respondents: "Thinking now about voluntary euthanasia, if a hopelessly ill patient experiencing unrelievable suffering with absolutely no chance of recovery asks for a lethal dose, should a doctor be allowed to provide a dose or not?" Given the loaded way the question was framed it comes as no surprise that statewide 87 per cent said yes and only 6 per cent said no.But loaded or not, the question asks the respondent whether or not he or she support the formal, rather than merely material, killing of innocent persons, so the survey’s finding can only excite deep pessimism in euthanasia opponents, myself among them. Nevertheless, there is value in Mr. Pearson’s subsequent suggestions for probing more deeply into Australian attitudes towards euthanasia:
It would be timely for one of the churches or pro-life groups to commission a more sophisticated opinion survey on the subject. Respondents should be informed in non-emotive language about the law and practice in various jurisdictions and invited to specify the range of circumstances in which they'd support lethal interventions, voluntary and involuntary; whether it should be restricted to the aged or the dying, or to any adult; whether it should be available for young people under 18 and, if so, with or without parental consent.Ms Zukerman goes on to report in her article on recent developments in South Australia, to which Mr. Pearson referred:
Euthanasia may not lose majority support in such an exercise but I doubt that the results would amount to a ringing endorsement.
Meanwhile, South Australian independent MP Bob Such has introducted a similar [euthanasia] bill into the lower house that's yets to have its second reading, but a bill introduced by his Greens counterpart in the upper house, Mark Parnell, last week narrowly passed its second reading and is scheduled for a third reading on November 18. However, the Bill may not be read in the Lower House until the aafter the SA elections next March.Interesting word, ‘intolerable’. Mr. Pearson has more on this:
"This bill is bringing into light that things are happening in the dark," says Parnell. According to him, each week four elderly Australians kill themselves by violent and undignified means.
Under the bill, SA doctors would be allowed to administer drugs to end the life of an eligible individual. "The person must be an adult in the terminal phase of a terminal illness or have an illness that results in permanent deprivation of consciousness or irreversibly impairs the person's quality of life so that life has become intolerable," explains Parnell.
As Bernard Finnigan, a Labor MLC, put it : "Under this legislation you do not have to have a terminal illness to obtain active voluntary euthanasia or a prescription for a lethal dose. Clause 19 provides `(1) This section applies to the following persons, (b) an adult person who has an injury, illness or medical condition that (ii) irreversibly impairs the person's quality of life so that life becomes intolerable to that person.' That is not a definition that provides a tight restriction on who can access voluntary euthanasia. That definition could apply to someone suffering from chronic depression or rheumatoid arthritis or the early stages of multiple sclerosis or Alzheimer's."It’s hard to see how a more subjective formulation than “intolerable to that person” could possibly be conceivable. At least it’s good to see euthanasia advocates (not Mr. Finnigan I’ll point out, just so that there’s no confusion) being perfectly explicit about what they stand for, though.
The memo [the subject of the story] also drew opposition from NSW Anti-Discrimination Board president Stepan Kerkyasharian, who described it as "very shortsighted".Reginaldvs Cantvar
One anti-discrimination law guideline issued by the ADB states it is "against the law to stop you speaking in your own language at work unless it stops the work or study being done properly". Another states it is "against the law for an employer to insist that you speak English fluently unless it is reasonable for the particular job".
[my emphasis]