Notes: Tuesday-Thursday, October 26-28, 2010 (Part 2 of 2)

6. Local government conference rejects motion to endorse the Declaration of Montreal

An item in the Diary section of yesterday's Herald:

TOUCHY-FEELY STUFF

What flies like a swift in the inner-city of Sydney can sometimes drop like a dead turkey in the outer suburbs. At the local government conference in Albury yesterday, Leichhardt Council asked delegates to condemn the federal government's refugee policies, a move derided by a Wollondilly councillor, Benn Banasik, who argued that refugees were not one of the ''three R's of local government'': rubbish, rates and roads. Malikeh Michaels from Auburn Council, demurred. She had seen the devastating effects of detention centres on recently arrived refugees and so supported Leichhardt. But the motion was lost, as was another, from the City of Sydney, endorsing the Declaration of Montreal, which recognises the human rights of gay, lesbian and transgender people. Banasik also criticised this, claiming discrimination did not exist at his council."
[http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-diary/sartor-sangas-off-the-menu-20101026-172f0.html?skin=text-only]

I hadn't heard of the "Declaration of Montreal". I'll have to check it out. (I was amused to see that the next Diary item's heading was "STARS ALIGN FOR SODS". Not over Albury, it would seem!)

7. Wise comment on how error advances

I was interested to read the following by the Lutheran "Harry" in a comment at Mr. Schütz's blog:

... Charles Porterfield Krauth said that Error creeps into the Church in three stages. First, it tell Truth that it will not make waves, jut leave it be. Second, Error tells Truth, that their position should have equal rights. Then Error tells Truth that Truth is causing disorder in the Church. ...
[http://scecclesia.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/our-st-mary-more-likely-to-pray-for-vocations-than-to-challenge-for-women-priests/#comment-17826]

Replace "Church" with 'Society' and you've got what could be a description of the philosophy and advancement of Liberalism (the inevitable consequence of Protestantism).

8. Vatican Information Service daily e-mail bulletin item, with an incongruous headline, on the death sentence handed down for Tariq Aziz:

In today's edition of the bulletin:

HOLY SEE CONDEMNS DEATH PENALTY AGAINST TARIQ AZIZ

VATICAN CITY, 27 OCT 2010 (VIS) - Holy See Press Office Director Fr. Federico Lombardi S.J. released the following declaration yesterday afternoon:

"The Catholic Church's position on the death penalty is well known. It is hoped, therefore, that the sentence against Tariq Aziz will not be implemented, precisely in order to favour reconciliation and the reconstruction of peace and justice in Iraq after the great sufferings the country has experienced. As concerns the possibility of a humanitarian intervention, the Holy See is not accustomed to operate publicly but through the diplomatic channels at its disposal".
OP/ VIS 20101027 (110)

I don't see how that headline fits the content of the body of that item. The latter is a legitimate, if debatable, prudential judgment; hardly a 'condemnation'. Perhaps part of the 'condemnation' went unreported?

9. Mr. Coyne's 'historical Jesus'

... Again though, when I use the descriptor "Jesus" I'm not alone speaking or thinking of the individual who I do believe roamed around Ancient Galilee and was executed in Jerusalem around 2,000 years ago give or take a few decades. The "figure" that is important to me is BOTH the historical figure — and the record left of his sayings and parables — but also the interpretation put on those by others. That process of placing a patina on Jesus I strongly suspect had begun before the first Gospels were written. They are theological stories rather than some "historical, factual record of the individual man named Jesus".
[http://www.catholica.com.au/forum/index.php?id=58901]

10. Blog comments by me

Three, all of them more or less the same:

10.1

Cardinal Pole said...

Dr. Bugg's article capped off four days of letters published on the topic of Catholic womenpriests, with the last two days' worth responding to this one from the second day:

"I think many Catholics saw the irony of the Mary MacKillop celebrations in a church in which women are still excluded from full participation. As I said at Mass last Sunday: "Today we celebrate a woman's canonisation; hopefully it won't be too long before we celebrate a woman's ordination."

"Father John CrothersSt Declan's Church, Penshurst
[http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/settlement-of-djs-case-doesnt-ease-the-tension-20101019-16sfb.html?skin=text-only
See this blog post and comment by me in order to see all the letters collated.]

I wonder how Fr. Crothers's Local Ordinary has dealt or will deal with this scandal?

October 28, 2010 3:52 AM
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[http://australiaincognita.blogspot.com/2010/10/women-priests-and-st-mary-of-cross-sigh.html]

10.2

Cardinal Pole said...

Dr. Bugg's article capped off four days of letters published in the Herald on the topic of Catholic womenpriests, with the last two days' worth responding to this one from the second day:

"I think many Catholics saw the irony of the Mary MacKillop celebrations in a church in which women are still excluded from full participation. As I said at Mass last Sunday: "Today we celebrate a woman's canonisation; hopefully it won't be too long before we celebrate a woman's ordination."

"Father John CrothersSt Declan's Church, Penshurst"
[http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/settlement-of-djs-case-doesnt-ease-the-tension-20101019-16sfb.html?skin=text-only
See this blog post and comment by me in order to see all the letters collated.]

(Something new to add to your "Fr Crothers" label, my dear Cloistered ones?) I wonder how Fr. Crothers's Local Ordinary has dealt or will deal with this scandal?

October 28, 2010 4:13 AM
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[http://coo-eesfromthecloister.blogspot.com/2010/10/laura-bugg-er-awf.html]

10.3

Dr. Bugg's article capped off four days of letters published in the Herald on the topic of Catholic womenpriests, with the last two days' worth responding to this one from the second day:

"I think many Catholics saw the irony of the Mary MacKillop celebrations in a church in which women are still excluded from full participation. As I said at Mass last Sunday: "Today we celebrate a woman's canonisation; hopefully it won't be too long before we celebrate a woman's ordination."

"Father John CrothersSt Declan's Church, Penshurst"
[http://www.smh.com.au/national/letters/settlement-of-djs-case-doesnt-ease-the-tension-20101019-16sfb.html?skin=text-only
See this blog post and comment by me in order to see all the letters collated.]

I wonder how Fr. Crothers's Local Ordinary has dealt or will deal with this scandal?

(Before submitting this comment it occured to me that I had better do a Google search in order to see whether His Eminence is already dealing with this, and lo and behold, I found that Coo-ees has a whole blog label devoted to Fr. Crothers! Here's the U.R.L.:

http://coo-eesfromthecloister.blogspot.com/search/label/Fr%20Crothers)
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Reginaldvs Cantvar

Feast of Sts. Simon and Jude, Apostles, A.D. 2010