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Tuesday, October 4, 2022

Notes: Saturday, March 26-Tuesday, October 4, 2022 (part 2 of 2)

3: The JUDGMENT and DECREE OF THE University of Oxford Past in their Convocation July 21. 1683, Oxford, 1683

is available through the Oxford Text Archive (O.T.A.), Google Books, The London Gazette (Issue No. 1845, July 23-26, 1683), and the respective websites of The British Library, The University of Michigan Library, and The National Archives:







JUDICIUM & DECRETUM Universitatis Oxoniensis Latum in Convocatione habita Jul. 21. An. 1683 (Oxford, 1683) seems to be the original Latin of that Judgment, and is available through the O.T.A. and the aforementioned library websites:




Early English Books Online has the Latin book as well as two editions of the English translation; one of those two editions was published in Dublin and does not seem to be available elsewhere online, and the other edition is the one linked hereinbefore.

Labels: Democratism, morals, politics, regalism, St. Robert Bellarmine

4: Some recent objectionable pronouncements from The Pope

4.1: God "does not want to make decisions for us, or oppress us with a sacral power, exercised in a world governed by religious laws."

That quotation comes from the translated text of "the homily delivered by the Pope during the celebration of Vespers", contained in The Holy See Press Office's Daily Bulletin item "Apostolic Journey of His Holiness Francis in Canada – Vespers with bishops, priests, deacons, consecrated persons, seminarians and pastoral workers at the Cathedral of Notre-Dame de Québec, 28.07.2022":


The quotation is part of this excerpt:
God does not want us to be slaves, but sons and daughters; he does not want to make decisions for us, or oppress us with a sacral power, exercised in a world governed by religious laws. No! He created us to be free, and he asks us to be mature and responsible persons in life and in society.
Judging by the source for that Daily Bulletin item, I think that that passage is a translation of this section of the original Spanish of the homily in question:
Dios, en efecto, no nos quiere esclavos sino hijos, no quiere decidir en nuestro lugar ni oprimirnos con un poder sagrado en un mundo gobernado por leyes religiosas. No, Él nos ha creado libres y nos pide que seamos personas adultas, personas responsables en la vida y en la sociedad.
["Viaggio Apostolico di Sua Santità Francesco in Canada – Vespri con i Vescovi, i Sacerdoti, i Diaconi, i Consacrati, i Seminaristi e gli Operatori Pastorali presso la Cattedrale di Notre-Dame de Québec, 28.07.2022",
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2022/07/28/0563/01130.html]
The only media organ to highlight the anti-Integralist aspect of that homily seems to be Religion News Service, in the "News" report "God does not want ‘a world governed by religious laws,’ pope tells Canadian clergy", by Claire Giangravé, dated July 28, 2022:


Ms Giangravé was also the journalist who, during that Apostolic Journey's return-flight press conference, asked His Holiness about changing Church teaching on contraceptives:



Returning to that homily, I note that one of the problems with The Pope's anti-Integralism is that, pace His Holiness, a loving and conscientious Catholic father will, as far as reasonably possible within the scope of his authority, impose religious rules on his sons and daughters, and a loving and conscientious Catholic civil sovereign will, likewise, impose religious laws on his subjects; that is the paternal, not despotic, thing to do.

Labels: Confessional State, Francis Bergoglio, law, morals, politics, secularism

4.2: "the death penalty is morally inadmissible," and "in the light of the Gospel, the death penalty is unacceptable"

Those quotations come from the translation, in The Holy See Press Office's Daily Bulletin item "Video of the Holy Father with the prayer intention for the month of September, disseminated via the Pope’s Worldwide Prayer Network, 31.08.2022", of the transcript of H.H. The Pope's message in that video:


The quotations seems to translate "moralmente, la pena di morte è inadeguata" and "alla luce del Vangelo, la pena di morte è inammissibile", respectively, judging by that Daily Bulletin item's original Italian ("Video del Santo Padre con l’intenzione di preghiera per il mese di settembre diffusa attraverso la Rete Mondiale di Preghiera del Papa, 31.08.2022", in which the transcript's original language is given as Italian, too):


The official website of The Pope's Worldwide Prayer Network has these pages, available through its "Resources" page: "September prayer intention 2022", "2022–9–TPV–Script–For the abolition of the death penalty", "2022–09–TPV–Press Release-For the abolition of the death penalty", "TPV- For the abolition of the death penalty – Infographic", and "TPV – For the abolition of the death penalty – Poster", with the content of those pages also available, in one form or another, on the page "SEPTEMBER | For the abolition of the death penalty" (dated, like the preceding resources, August 31, 2022) at the official website of an operation—namely, The Pope Video—of that Network:







Labels: death penalty, Francis Bergoglio, morals

5: "it was this act[, namely, the Quebec Act,] that moved the Americans to form and attend the First Continental Congress in the first place!"

That quotation (excluding my square-bracketed interpolation) comes from this passage (excluding my ellipses (a square-bracketed one indicates the omission of a whole paragraph) and square-bracketed interpolation) in "Catholicism and the American Founding", by Prof. Bradley J. Birzer, July 3, 2021, at The Catholic World Report's website:
… With the passage of the Quebec Act, they[, namely, "French Roman Catholics living in Quebec",] could practice their Catholicism without political hinderance. Parliament saw this act, rightfully, as a liberal act, having next to nothing to do with the affairs of the Protestants to the south. Americans in the thirteen colonies not only saw it as a direct attack on their faith, but it was this act that moved the Americans to form and attend the First Continental Congress in the first place!

[…]

Not surprisingly, given the terrible (if ridiculous) reputation that Catholics had among Protestants as being the evil purveyors of darkness, oppression, and superstition, the very first act of the Continental Congress was to pass a condemnation of liberalization of restrictions on Roman Catholics. With the almost unanimous backing of the New England colonies, the condemnation found widespread support, especially from John Jay and Alexander Hamilton of New York, and Richard Lee of Virginia.

[…]

It must be noted that the First Continental Congress was not some fly-by-night revolutionary committee of radicals. It was, instead, the very first meeting of the U.S. Congress, still, institutionally, of course, in existence through this day.
See also item 2 of my "Notes: Thursday, January 1-Monday, February 2, 2015": 


(The Spectator link there is now dead, but this one works:


and that book review is also available, in one form or another, through Trove, Gale Research Complete, NewsBank, and ProQuest. As for item 2's hyperlinked comment by me at a now-removed blog, that comment contained a quotation from The Catholic Church in the Modern World: A Survey from the French Revolution to the present, by Mr. E. E. Y. Hales, published by Eyre & Spottiswoode in association with Burns & Oates, London, 1958.)

Labels: Canada, Church and State, history, U.S.A.

6: "Not until the mid-1960s did people begin to realise that, in addition to the concentration camps, there were also death camps whose only purpose was extermination. Even the term "the Holocaust" was not used widely until the late 70s."

That quotation comes from the book review "Germany's African colony was a laboratory for genocide", by Jim Davidson, on p. 24 of the "Review" supplement of The Weekend Australian, January 15-16, 2011, available through ProQuest and NewsBank, and formerly available at The Australian's website via this U.R.L.:


Prof. Davidson is or at least has been a professional historian, according to the profiles on him from AustLit, Trove, Melbourne University, and what seems to have been at the time of that book review his most recent book (namely, A Three-Cornered Life, available through ProQuest's Ebook Central): 





Labels: history, Jews, Nazism

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Feast of St. Francis of Assisi, Confessor, A.D. 2022
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Monday, March 1, 2021

Notes: Tuesday, December 1, 2020-Monday, March 1, 2021

1. "As you know, due to the pandemic, today I[, The Pope,] was unable to celebrate Baptisms in the Sistine Chapel, as customary."

That quotation, excluding my square-bracketed parenthesis, comes from the translation of H.H. The Pope's remarks, after the Angelus recited on Sunday, January 10, 2021 (the New-Order Feast of The Baptism of The Lord), in The Holy See Press Office daily bulletin item "The Pope’s words at the Angelus prayer, 10.01.2021":


(those translated remarks are also available here:


with the original Italian of that item (titled "Le parole del Papa alla recita dell’Angelus, 10.01.2021") available here:


and the Italian remarks are also available here:


If that sentence translates "Come sapete, a causa della pandemia, oggi non ho potuto celebrare i Battesimi nella Cappella sistina, come di solito." correctly, then His Holiness seems to have misspoken. For in no sense of the word was The Pope unable to celebrate the customary Baptisms. There is no suggestion that His Holiness was physically unable, nor is there any indication that The Pope was morally unable (unable, that is, to celebrate the Baptisms without disproportionate inconvenience), nor was His Holiness legally unable. For The Pope is the Sovereign of The Vatican City State, and even in other jurisdictions the civil sovereign has no authority over the Sacraments, and even in those jurisdictions where the civil sovereign regulates the Sacraments de facto, the relevant regulations usually contain exceptions for ministers of religion, and it's easy to baptise babies in a COVID-safe fashion. It seems, then, that His Holiness was really unwilling, rather than unable, to baptise the babies in question. (According to the Vatican News report "Covid-19: Pope will not celebrate Baptisms in Sistine Chapel", dated January 5, 2021, "the baptisms will take place in the parishes to which they belong":


It's unclear, however, when those Baptisms were expected to occur and what the differences are which 'enable' them to take place in the babies' respective parish churches but not in the Sistine Chapel as planned.)

Labels: Francis Bergoglio, morals, politics

2. According to Richard Baxter, Adam Contzen "concludeth as the true and common judgement, that the power of making Laws, is by nature in the multitude or whole Common-wealth; and that no one Prince hath more than the people give him. And that the people when they choose a Royal Person or Family, may reserve this right, that he shall abrogate or make no Law without them: that all Civil power flows from the people; and that none without Tyranny can take this power from them: And that such a Tyrant is worse than he that beateth the innocent, because he wrongeth and oppresseth more."

That quotation comes from The second part of The nonconformists plea for peace, by Richard Baxter, printed for John Hancock, London, 1680, available at the Oxford Text Archive and The University of Michigan Library's website:



Baxter said that after he said that "It seems heretofore some Canonists thought otherwise", but, in the opinion of Contzen and perhaps of Baxter, "now the common vote is against them", so the "common judgement" in question refers to that of (presumably Catholic) Canonists. Contzen's Politicorum libri decem is available at Google Books (Baxter cited book five, chapter five, which begins on pp. 310 and 278 of the following two versions, respectively):



Labels: Democratism, morals, politics

3. "Fundamental structures of the state that are in principle beyond the reach of the prince include the leges fundamentales; these laws embody, according to the doctrine formulated by Innocent Gentillet and Bodin, basic laws which constitute the state insofar as its essential political order is concerned. Insofar as the political order was conceived as a monarchical order, this concept at the same time strengthened absolutism."

That quotation comes from p. 903 in ""What a Good Ruler Should Not Do": Theoretical Limits of Royal Power in European Theories of Absolutism, 1500-1700", by Wolfgang Weber, in The Sixteenth Century Journal, Vol. 26, No. 4 (Winter, 1995), pp. 897-915:


Labels: morals, politics, regalism

4. H.M.A. Government says that it will contribute up to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the establishment, in partnership with The A.C.T. Government and the A.C.T. Jewish community, of the (permanent) Canberra Holocaust Museum and Education Centre.

See the Joint Media Release "New Canberra memorial to commemorate Holocaust Remembrance Day", dated Jauary 27, 2021, issued by The Hon. Alan Tudge M.P. (at the time, Federal Minister for Education and Youth) and Mr. Andrew Barr M.L.A. (at the time, A.C.T. Chief Minister):


and Mr. Tudge's Transcript "International Holocaust Remembrance Day", dated January 27, 2021:


That facility seems to have been conceived as an upgrade of the pre-existing National Jewish Memorial Centre, judging by The Age's Federal politics news report "‘A brighter, more tolerant future’: $750,000 funding for Holocaust museum in Canberra", by Rob Harris, dated January 27, 2021:


According to the Transcript "Doorstop interview, ACT Jewish Community Centre", dated January 27, 2021, The Hon. Josh Frydenberg M.P. (at the time, de facto Federal Treasurer) said that the money was "to be matched, to be in partnership, with the ACT Government to establish a Holocaust museum here in the ACT":


I don't know whether, when Mr. Frydenberg said "to be matched, to be in partnership," he (a) misspoke by saying "to be matched" and then corrected himself by saying "to be in partnership" or (b) spoke as he intended to speak, but (b) seems more likely, given that Mr. Barr was quoted in his Joint Press Release as saying that
The ACT Government looks forward to supporting the ACT Jewish community with a financial and in-kind contribution towards the project as it develops and progresses over the coming year.
In addition to the Canberra centre, Mr. Tudge said, according to the latter Transcript, that
Our ambition is to have such centres right around the country. They’re already now in four locations where funding has been committed for four locations and we hope to see them in every major city in Australia
and in his Joint Media Release he is quoted as saying that
Our government has committed funding, in partnership with respective state governments for the construction of similar centres in Victoria, South Australia, Queensland and Western Australia.
(According to Mr. Harris,
the Jewish Holocaust Centre in Elsternwick, Victoria, the Jewish Community Centre of Western Australia, the Queensland Holocaust Museum and Education Centre, and the Adelaide Holocaust Museum
are the four exact places to which Mr. Tudge refers.) Regarding earlier developments, see the Media Releases "New Holocaust Museum in South Australia" (which relates to item 5.3 of part 2 of my last issue of "Notes"), dated October 16, 2020 and "New Holocaust Museum in Queensland", dated September 30, 2020, both issued by The Hon. Dan Tehan M.P. (at both times, Federal Minister for Education):



Labels: Jews

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St. David's Day, A.D. 2021
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Monday, November 30, 2020

Notes: Tuesday, July 23, 2019-Monday, November 30, 2020 (part 2 of 2)

4. Prof. Brungardt on recent online discussion about Catholic integralism

See the blog post "The Question of Catholic Integralism: An Internet Genealogy", by Assistant Prof. John G. Brungardt, dated May 22, 2020, available at the author's eponymous blog:


(That post came to my attention via the blog post "The links you’ve been longing for" by Prof. Edward Feser, dated Saturday, August 8, 2020, at that author's eponymous blog:


which (blog post) links to a cross posting, by J AUGUSTINE on May 29, 2020 at The Josias, of Prof. Brungardt's blog post under its original title:


Labels: Americanism, Church and State, Confessional State, Dignitatis Humanæ, law, liberalism, morals, politics, religious liberty, secularism, Social Reign of Christ

5. Some recent culture-shaping activity by H.M.A. Government

5.1 Mr. Tudge on Australian values again, this time with a stronger-than-usual emphasis on Secularism (in particular, error no. forty-two of the Syllabus)

(Error no. forty-two of the Syllabus of Pius IX. is the proposition that "In a conflict between the laws of both powers, the civil law prevails" (the other power in question is, of course, the ecclesial power):


The original Latin of that error is "In conflictu legum utriusque potestatis, ius civile praevalet." and is available by clicking the little "LATIN" thumbnail at the lower right-hand-side corner of that error's section or by going hither:


See the media release "Focus on values in updated Australian Citizenship Test" and the transcripts "Interview with Ross Stevenson and Russel Howcroft, 3AW Breakfast", "Interview with Basil Zempilas and Steve Mills, 6PR Breakfast", "Interview with Leon Byner, 5AA Mornings", "Door stop, Australian Citizenship Test", "Interview with Deb Knight, 2GB", "Multicultural press conference, 17 September 2020", and "Interview with Patricia Karvelas, ABC Afternoon Briefing":









(All those documents were dated Thursday, September 17, 2020 and issued by The Hon. Alan Tudge M.P. (at the time, Federal Acting Minister for Immigration, Citizenship, Migrant Services, and Multicultural Affairs).) Mr. Tudge's list of Australian values was much the same as his previous one(s), but what seems remarkable to me this time around is his emphasis on his principle that parliamentary enactments override religious ones; in every one of those transcripts except "Door stop, Australian Citizenship Test", he highlights that principle, and of the transcripts in which that principle is raised, only in "Interview with Ross Stevenson and Russel Howcroft, 3AW Breakfast" is Mr. Tudge not the one who raises it first. Presumably most members of Mr. Tudge's intended audience would connect that principle firstly to the relationship between Australian laws and the Islamic Shariah, but it is also relevant to enactments introduced or being introduced by Australian jurisdictions against the Seal of Confession.

In those texts, Mr. Tudge also referred to
  • the Australian citizenship test resource booklet Australian Citizenship: Our Common Bond, available here:


    (Go straight hither for the testable section:


    Its p. 19 (21 in my document reader) is about "Our freedoms", and the last sentence—under the sub-heading "Freedom of religion"—on that page expresses Mr. Tudge's principle, with much the same diction and syntax as in the translated error at the beginning of this item: "Where there is a conflict between an Australian law and a religious practice, Australian law prevails." Again, on p. 35 (37 in my document reader), under the same sub-heading (this time in the context of, as the previous page indicates, "Our values"), the second sentence of the penultimate paragraph is "Australian law must be followed by everyone in Australia, including where it is different from religious laws." (And on the next page, in the same context but under the sub-heading "Equality of all people under the law", the booklet is also noteworthy for its promotion of Gay Marriage with the last sentence of the second paragraph: "Under our laws, two people can marry each other, including marriage between two men or two women.")
  • the Australian Values Statement, both the versions for temporary and provisional visa applicants and for permanent visa applicants whereof express the principle, among other "values", of "parliamentary democracy whereby our laws are determined by parliaments elected by the people, those laws being paramount and overriding any other inconsistent religious or secular “laws”" and require each of those applicants to make this engagement: "I undertake to conduct myself in accordance with these values of Australian society during my stay in Australia and to obey the laws of Australia." (See the webpage "Meeting our requirements[: ]Australian values":


    The parliamentary democracy quotation is also on the "Australian values" page:


    And at the "Australian citizenship[: ]Learn about being an Australian citizen" page, the "Our freedoms" section has, under the sub-heading "Freedom of religion", this for its penultimate sentence: "You are free to follow any religion you choose, as long as your religious practices do not break Australian laws.":

Labels: Church and State, Confessional State, G.L.B.T., law, liberalism, marriage, morals, politics, secularism

5.2 H.M.A. Government plans to give "$3.0 million over four years from 2020-21 to the Anti-Defamation Commission to create a Holocaust education platform" plus the same sum over the same period "to the Islamic Museum of Australia to develop educational resources and online learning platforms", both as part of the Students Support Package in the Education, Skills, and Employment component of the 2020-2021 Federal Budget.

Those quotations and other information come from p. 82 (100 in my document reader) of Budget Paper No. 2, Budget Measures 2020-21, circulated by The Hon. Josh Frydenberg M.P. (at the time, de facto Federal Treasurer) and The Hon. Mathias Cormann (at the time, a Senator and the Federal Minister for Finance), dated October 6, 2020, available at the official Federal Budget website:


or go straight hither:


(It seems that another Federal grant of three million dollars (over four years from 2019-20) for the Anti-Defamation Commission (in this instance, for the expansion of its "Click Against Hate" programme) had already been announced; see p. 237 (255 in my document reader) in the "Education, Skills and Employment" section of Budget Measures 2020-21's "Appendix A: Policy decisions published in the July 2020 Economic and Fiscal Update" (both sets of italics in the original).) The same information is given in the October 6, 2020 Media Release "Budget 2020-21: Investing in Education and Research", issued by The Hon. Dan Tehan M.P. (at the time, Federal Minister for Education), available at the Ministers' Media Centre at the official website of the Federal Department of Education, Skills, and Employment:


Similar information is given in the last bullet point under the sub-heading "Schools" at the latter website's "Budget 2020-21" page:


and further information is given on the "Support for Social Cohesion" page of the former Federal Department of Education website:


Labels: Freemasons, Islam, Jews

5.3 The new Adelaide Holocaust Museum—located at Church-owned Fennescey House, and said to be "the latest addition to a national network of Holocaust museums"—will get two-and-a-half million dollars of Federal funding.

The information, including the quotation, in that headline comes from the news report "Boost for new Holocaust museum", by Jenny Brinkworth, dated Friday, October 16, 2020, downloaded from The Southern Cross's website:


See also the transcripts "Interview with Ditts and Roo, Triple M Adelaide", "Interview with Leon Byner, 5AA Adelaide", and "Doorstop interview, Norwood, Adelaide", all dated October 15, 2020, and issued by The Hon. Josh Frydenberg M.P. (at the time, de facto Federal Treasurer):




As for the rest of that network, Ms Brinkworth wrote that
With well-established Jewish museums in Melbourne and Sydney, the Federal Government has also provided $3.5m for a Holocaust museum in Brisbane while Perth’s Jewish Community Centre received funding for a major redevelopment last year.
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Monday, February 4, 2019

Notes: Tuesday, April 24, 2018-Monday, February 4, 2019 (part 2 of 2)

6. On July 19, 2018, the so-called State of Israel decreed that it is 'the nation-state of the Jewish people'

See the Knesset press release "Full text of Basic Law: Israel as the Nation State of the Jewish People", dated July 19, 2018, which gives a "complete, unofficial translation of the final version of Basic Law: Israel as the Nation State of the Jewish People, passed by the Knesset on July 19, 2018":

https://main.knesset.gov.il/EN/News/PressReleases/Pages/Pr13978_pg.aspx

According to clauses 1.b) and 1.c) of that translation, "The state of Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, in which it actualizes its natural, religious, and historical right for self-determination.", and "The actualization of the right of national self-determination in the state of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.", respectively. One of the sponsors of the bill, Knesset member Avi Dichter, offers the following, slightly different, translations of those clauses:
(B.) The State of Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people, in which it exercises its natural, cultural, religious and historic right to self-determination.
(C.) The exercise of the right to national self-determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish people.
[https://avidichter.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/leom_law_en_press_18.7.18.pdf]
See also the other Knesset press releases "Joint Committee approves Nation-State Bill for final plenary vote", dated July 18, 2018, and "Knesset passes Jewish nation-state bill into law", dated July 19, 2018:

https://main.knesset.gov.il/EN/News/PressReleases/Pages/Pr13977_pg.aspx

https://main.knesset.gov.il/EN/News/PressReleases/Pages/Pr13979_pg.aspx

According to the former, a Knesset "joint committee of the House Committee and the Constitution, Law and Justice Committee"
revised a clause which stated that “Each resident of Israel, without regard to his religion or nationality, shall be entitled to strive for the preservation of his culture, heritage, language and identity,” and that “The State may permit a community, including the members of a single religion or the members of a single nationality, to establish separate community settlements”

The new version of the clause determines that “The state sees developing Jewish settlement as a national interest and will take steps to
encourage, advance, and implement this interest.”
and according to the latter,
Two clauses in the bill were revised. The Diaspora clause reads, “The state will act in the Diaspora to maintain the connection between the state and the Jewish people.” The original version said that the connection would be maintained among “the Jewish people, wherever they are.”

A clause that could have permitted one religious group to bar another from living in their community was replaced with one saying that “The state sees developing Jewish settlement as a national interest and will take steps to encourage, advance, and implement this interest.”
Mr. Dichter's translation came to my attention via the Wikipedia page "Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People", whose "References" section links to numerous sources dealing with the matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People

Among those sources is the opinion piece "The legitimacy of Israel’s nation-state bill (I): comparative constitutionalism", by Prof. Eugene Kontorovich, dated December 10, 2014, available at the Kohelet Policy Forum's (K.P.F.'s) website:

https://en.kohelet.org.il/publication/the-legitimacy-of-israels-nation-state-bill-i-comparative-constitutionalism

That article gives useful background to the decree in question, above all with respect to the notion of national self-determination. (Although published years before the enactment in question occurred, that opinion piece is still relevant to the final text; hence Prof. Kontorovich's recapitulation of his main points in the opinion piece "Get Over It—Israel Is the Jewish State", dated July 19, 2018, published originally in The Wall Street Journal (available behind a paywall):

https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-over-itisrael-is-the-jewish-state-1532039000

and also available at the K.P.F.'s website:

https://en.kohelet.org.il/publication/get-over-it-israel-is-the-jewish-state

The only noteworthy respect in which the former article is out of date is its treatment of the question of official languages.)

Labels: Confessional State, Jews, State of Israel

7. Some items regarding the two premier British chivalric orders

7.1 The Order of the Garter as the mother order of court chivalry

See p. 11 (22 in the document reader) in the text of the speech by James Johnston (Williamite English Envoy Extraordinary to The then-Elector of Brandenburg) in An account of the ceremony of investing his Electoral Highness of Brandenburgh with the order of the Garter, perform'd at Berlin on the 6th of June, 1690, London, 1690:

http://explore.bl.uk/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?docId=BLL01017684096&vid=BLVU1&lang=en_US&institution=BL

or go straight hither:

http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_100027415381.0x000001#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&xywh=-1301%2C-135%2C4464%2C2686

or hither:

https://books.google.com.au/books?vid=BL:A0020755743&redir_esc=y

Also available in other formats here:

http://ota.ox.ac.uk/tcp/headers/A24/A24980.html

(The HTML version is here:

http://downloads.it.ox.ac.uk/ota-public/tcp/Texts-HTML/free/A24/A24980.html)

See also here:

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=eebo;idno=A24980.0001.001

or go straight hither:

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A24980.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext

For a biography of Johnston, see "JOHNSTON, James (1655-1737), of Orleans House, Twickenham, Mdx.", by Richard Harrison, at The History of Parliament:

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/johnston-james-1655-1737

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7.2 Getting back up to date with the two premier British chivalric orders

Over the four or so years to early- to mid-last-year, I lost track of developments in The Order of the Garter and The Order of the Thistle. In the next two items I aim to rectify that oversight.

7.2.1 Recent additions to, and losses from, The Order of the Garter

The last time when I noted that The Order of the Garter had its full complement of twenty-four Knights Companions or Ladies Companions who are neither Royal-Family nor Stranger Knights nor Ladies was on Thursday, April 23, 2009:

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2009/04/happy-st-georges-day.html

Unfortunately, the webpage which I seem to have used as my source for that observation is no longer available, but you can still verify that I was correct. Begin with the royal.uk Press Release "Appointments to the Order of the Garter 2005":

https://www.royal.uk/appointments-order-garter-2005

That webpage lists twenty-four non-Royal-Family/-Stranger members of the Order (three new appointees and twenty-one previous ones); they were, in chronological order (dated to April 23 in the years mentioned), with only abbreviated titles and neither styles nor post-nominal letters):

1. The Duke of Grafton (1976) 2. Lord Richardson (1983) 3. Lord Carrington (1985) 4. The Duke of Wellington (1990) 5. Lord Bramall (1990) 6. Sir Edward Heath (1992) 7. Lord Ridley (1992) 8. Lord Sainsbury (1992) 9. Lord Ashburton (1994) 10. Lord Kingsdown (1994) 11. Sir Ninian Stephen (1994) 12. Sir Edmund Hillary (1995) 13. Lady Thatcher (1995) 14. Sir Timothy Colman (1996) 15. The Duke of Abercorn (1999) 16. Sir William Gladstone (1999) 17. Lord Inge (2001) 18. Sir Antony Acland (2001) 19. The Duke of Westminster (2003) 20. Lord Butler (2003) 21. Lord Morris (2003) 22. Lady Soames (2005) 23. Lord Bingham (2005) 24. Sir John Major (2005)

Only two Garter Knights (and no Ladies) seem—unless I've missed any Stranger Knights—to have died between then and St. George's Day 2009: Sir Edward died on July 17, 2005, according to the Encyclopædia Britannica article "Sir Edward Heath":

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edward-Heath)

(and his set of Garter insignia was delivered up on November 22, 2005, according to the Court Circular) and Sir Edmund died on January 11, 2008, according to the same encyclopedia's article "Sir Edmund Hillary":

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Edmund-Hillary

(and his set of Garter insignia was delivered up on April 2, 2008, the day of the Service of Thanksgiving for his Life, according to the Court Circular. (Judging by the same source, Lords Richardson and Carrington, Sir Ninian, Lady Thatcher, and Sir Timothy were each not present at the Garter Day—the Monday in Royal Ascot week—activities of at least one year from 2005 to 2009, inclusive of both, but they were still alive as of Garter Day 2009, as I'll soon show. (Garter Day fell on June 13, 19, 18, 16, and 15 in 2005, ’06, ’07, ’08, and ’09, respectively.)))

Over the same period (that from St. George's Day 2005 to St. George's Day 2009, inclusive of both), only two other non-Royal-Family/-Stranger Garter Knights (and no Ladies) were appointed, namely Lord Luce and Sir Thomas Dunne; see Notice No. 510023, Notice Type "State", Sub-Type "Honours and Awards" (Notice Code: 1105), The London Gazette, Issue No. 58679, p. 6383, Friday, April 25, 2008 (but the appointments in question are to be dated April 23, 2008):

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-58679-510023

(A digital version of the full text of p. 6383 is available here:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/58679/page/6383

and a digital version of the full text of Issue No. 58679 is available here, with p. 6383 being p. 1 in your document reader:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/58679

See also the royal.uk Press Release "Appointment to the Order of the Garter", dated April 22, 2008:

https://www.royal.uk/appointment-order-garter

That also mentions The Duke of Cambridge's appointment, but His Royal Highness is, of course, a Royal Knight Companion; over the period in question, two other Royal-Family Knights (and no Ladies) were also appointed, namely The Duke of York and Prince Edward: See the royal.uk Press Release "Appointments to the Order of the Garter 2006", dated April 23, 2006:

https://www.royal.uk/appointments-order-garter-2006)

With two deaths and two new appointments, and so no change in the number of members, over the period in question, it seems that there were indeed twenty-four non-Royal/-Stranger Garter Knights or Ladies as of St. George's Day 2009, and they were those of St. George's Day 2005, minus Sir Edward Heath and Sir Edmund Hillary, plus Lord Luce and Sir Thomas Dunne. And that was still the case as of Garter Day 2009 (June 15 that year), when, according to the Court Circular, nineteen of those Knights or Ladies were present for that Day's activities, and the five absentees—Lords Richardson and Carrington, Sir Ninian Stephen, Lady Thatcher, and Sir Timothy Colman—were still alive then, as we'll soon see.

Since Garter Day ’09, there have been twelve deaths in the Order; I mentioned five of those deaths in the following issues of my "Notes", collectively:

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2014/07/notes-tuesday-may-6-2014-thursday-july.html (item 1.2)

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2012/04/notes-wednesday-april-4-tuesday-april.html (item 4)

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2011/04/notes-tuesday-april-12-monday-april-18.html (item 8)

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2010/04/st-georges-day-coming-up-and-theres.html

(Those deaths can also be verified by reading the references to the late Garter Knights' or Lady's respective obsequies or returns of sets of Garter insignia (or both) in the Court Circular; see the issues of March 10 and May 19, 2010, March 3, 2011, May 9, 2012, July 17, 2012, and March 12, 2015.) The other seven Garter Knights or Ladies to have died since Garter Day ’09 were
  • Lord Kingsdown, whose Memorial Service occurred on February 6, 2014 and whose Garter insignia were delivered up on March 20 of that year
  • The Duke of Wellington, whose Garter insignia were delivered up on December 8, 2015
  • The Duke of Westminster, whose Garter insignia were delivered up on December 13, 2016
  • Sir Ninian Stephen, whose Garter insignia were delivered up on May 23, 2018
  • Sir William Gladstone, whose Funeral occurred on April 13, 2018, and whose Garter insignia were delivered up on June 12 of that year
  • Lord Carrington, for whom a Service of Thanksgiving occurred on 31. ult.
Over the same period, no new Royal-Family Garter Knights nor Ladies, two new Stranger Knights (and no Ladies), and nine new other Knights or Ladies have been appointed. The two new Stranger Knights appointed were
  • The King of Spain, apparently on July 12, 2017 (the following Instagram post, dated July 13, 2017, refers to the appointment occurring "Yesterday":

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BWfZo_ugUYo)

    (Wednesday, July 12, 2017 was the first official day of a three-day British State Visit by The King and Queen of Spain (though Their Majesties arrived on the previous Tuesday, according to the Court Circular). See the royal.uk article "The Spanish State Visit" dated July 12 (sic, though the article deals with all three days of the Visit), 2017, in which I found that Instagram post embedded (though it isn't embedded there anymore):

    https://www.royal.uk/spanish-state-visit)
Of the nine new other Garter Knights or Ladies, I've already blogged about five of them, namely Lords Boyce and Phillips in item 2.1 here:

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2011/05/notes-tuesday-april-19-monday-may-2.html

(though for completeness see Notice No. 1354859, Notice Type "State", Sub-Type "Honours and Awards" (Notice Code: 1105), The London Gazette, Issue No. 59775, p. 8393, Thursday, May 5, 2011 (but the appointments in question are to be dated April 23, 2011):

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-59775-1354859

A digital version of the full text of p. 8393 is available here:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/59775/page/8393

and a digital version of the full text of Issue No. 59775 is available here, with p. 8393 being p. 1 in your document reader:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/59775)

Lord Stirrup in item 2 here:

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2013/05/notes-wednesday-april-24-monday-may-20.html

and Lady Manningham-Buller and Lord King in item 1.2 here:

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2014/07/notes-tuesday-may-6-2014-thursday-july.html

The remaining four new appointees are
It seems, then, that the current Knights Companions and Ladies Companions of the Garter are (again with abbreviated titles and with neither styles nor post-nominal letters, and the dates in the years given are April 23 unless stated otherwise):

Royal-Family Knights and Ladies: 1. The Queen (November 11, 1947; Sovereign of the Order upon becoming Queen, February 6, 1952) 2. The Duke of Edinburgh (November 19, 1947) 3. The Prince of Wales (July 26, 1958, presumably becoming a Knight of the Order by the very fact of becoming Prince of Wales) 4. The Duke of Kent (October 9, 1985) 5. The Princess Royal (1994, though the exact date seems disputed—either April 23 or June 13) 6. The Duke of Gloucester (1997) 7. Princess Alexandra (2003) 8. The Duke of York (2006) 9. Prince Edward (2006) 10. The Duke of Cambridge (2008)
(s. v. "The Royal Family and the Order of the Garter" on the webpage "Orders of Chivalry" at the website of St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle:

https://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/about-st-georges/royal-connection/orders-of-chivalry/

Or see the previously-cited 2005 royal.uk Press Release, which mentions the current Royal-Family Knights and Ladies appointed in or before 2003, and other Press Releases there announce the Royal Knights and Lady appointed in and after ’03. (See the appendix to this post for links to all available Garter-related royal.uk Press Releases.) And the Court Circular's Garter Day issues name the Royal participants in the activities of those Days. (I've already mentioned Garter Day dates of 2009 and earlier; those since 2009 are June 14 in 2010, 13 in ’11, 18 in ’12, 17 in ’13, 16 in ’14, 15 in ’15, 13 in ’16, and 18 last year. (Garter Day activites were cancelled in 2017—see the article "Queen to perform 'dressed down' State Opening of Parliament, wearing hat instead of crown for first time in 43 years", by Hannah Furness, dated April 27, 2017, downloaded from the London Daily Telegraph's website:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/queen-perform-dressed-state-opening-parliament-wearing-hat-instead/))

The Duke of Edinburgh was the only Royal-Family Knight or Lady not to participate in the Garter Day activities last year, but His Royal Highness is, of course, alive and well.)

Stranger Knights and Ladies (except for the two last-mentioned appointees, I have only been able to find the year, not the exact date, of appointment): 1. Grand Duke John of Luxembourg (1972) 2. The Queen of Denmark (1979) 3. The King of Sweden (1983) 4. King John Charles I. of Spain (1988) 5. Princess Beatrice of The Netherlands (1989) 6. The Emperor of Japan (1998) 7. The King of Norway (2001) 8. The King of Spain (July 12, 2017) 9. The King of The Netherlands (October 23, 2018)
(See the article "Order of the Garter full list", dated June 16, 2008, downloaded from the website of the London Times:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/order-of-the-garter-full-list-8ltqldhl6hb

Or see "Garter Banner Location (updated October 2018)" (bold and underline in the original), available at the webpage "Garter Banner List" at the official website of St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle:

https://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/about-st-georges/history/the-order-of-the-garter/garter-banner-list/

or go straight hither:

https://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Garter-Banner-list-Oct-2018-2.pdf)

Other Knights and Ladies (April 23 of the stated year of appointment): 1. Lord Bramall (1990) 2. Lord Sainsbury (1992) 3. Lord Ashburton (1994) 4. Sir Timothy Colman (1996) 5. The Duke of Abercorn (1999) 6. Lord Inge (2001) 7. Sir Antony Acland (2001) 8. Lord Butler (2003) 9. Lord Morris (2003) 10. Sir John Major (2005) 11. Lord Luce (2008) 12. Sir Thomas Dunne (2008) 13. Lord Boyce (2011) 14. Lord Phillips (2011) 15. Lord Stirrup (2013) 16. Lady Manningham-Buller (2014) 17. Lord King (2014) 18. Lord Shuttleworth (2016) 19. Sir David Brewer (2016) 20. Lady Mary Fagan (2018) 21. Lord Brookeborough (2018)
(In addition to obtaining that list by removing the subsequently-deceased members from and adding the subsequently-appointed members to the 2005 list, one can corroborate it by referring to the nineteen-member list of participants in the Court Circular's account of last year's Garter Day activities and confirming that they, The Duke of Abercorn, and Lord Inge are (though the latter two were absent that day) still alive.)

(I have also consulted the Wikipedia article "List of current Knights and Ladies of the Garter" and its "View history" page.)

Labels: Alan Brookeborough, Charles Shuttleworth, David Brewer, Mary Fagan, Order of the Garter

7.2.2 Recent additions to, and losses from, The Order of the Thistle

The last time when I noted that there were no vacancies in The Order of the Thistle was Wednesday, December 2, 2009:

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2009/12/hm-queens-new-appointments-to-order-of.html

Unfortunately, I didn't mention the source for that observation, but it can be verified by a similar procedure to that used in the item before the present one. Begin with the royal.uk Press Release "New appointments to the Order of the Thistle", dated November 30, 2003 (apparently incorrectly, given that the year of the new appointments mentioned there seems to have been 2004):

https://www.royal.uk/new-appointments-order-thistle

That document names the following fifteen Thistle Knights and one Thistle Lady who were or are neither Royal-Family nor Stranger members of the Order (the names are here abbreviated, and with date of appointment (November 30 unless otherwise stated) but neither styles nor post-nominal letters):

1. Lord Weymss (April 12, 1966) 2. The Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry (1978) 3. Lord Elgin (1981) 4. Lord Thomson (1981) 5. Lord Airlie (November 29, 1985) 6. Sir Iain Tennant (November 29, 1986) 7. Lord Arbuthnott (November 29, 1996) 8. Lord Crawford (November 29, 1996) 9. Lady Marion Fraser (November 29, 1996) 10. Lord Macfarlane (November 29, 1996) 11. Lord Mackay (November 27, 1997) 12. Lord Wilson (2000) 13. Lord Sutherland (2002) 14. Sir Eric Anderson (2002) 15. Lord Steel (2004) 16. Lord Robertson (2004)

(That Press Release mentions the death of Lord Younger in 2003 and Sir Donald Cameron in 2004; according to the Court Circular, the former's Thistle insignia were delivered up on June 25, 2003 and the Service of Thanksgiving for his Life occurred on April 26, 2003, and the latter's Thistle insignia were delivered up on October 27, 2004 and his Memorial Service occurred on October 15, 2004, so that Press Release presumably dates to not much later than October 2004, nor much earlier.) From when that Press Release was issued until when I blogged about the Order having a full membership, four Thistle Knights (and no Ladies) died, judging by the Court Circular:
  • Sir Iain Tennant's Thistle insignia were delivered up on July 24, 2007
  • The Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry's Thistle insignia were delivered up on February 22, 2008, and his Memorial Service occurred on December 12, 2007
  • Lord Wemyss' Memorial Service occurred on April 4, 2009
  • Lord Thomson's Thistle insignia were delivered up on July 8, 2009, and the Service of Celebration for his Life and Work occurred on January 13, 2009
There were four new appointments over the same period; I've already blogged about the November 30, 2009 appointments of Lords Hope and Patel (though for completeness, see Notice No. 986932, Notice Type "State", Sub-Type "Honours and Awards" (Notice Code: 1105), The London Gazette, Issue No. 59258, p. 20801, Tuesday, December 1, 2009:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-59258-986932

(A digital version of the full text of p. 20801 is available here:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/59258/page/20801

and a digital version of the full text of Issue No. 59258 is available here, with p. 20801 being p. 1 in your document reader:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/59258)

Or see Notice No. 991717, Notice Type "State", Sub-Type "Honours and Awards" (Notice Code: 1105), The London Gazette, Issue No. 59262, p. 21165, Monday, December 7, 2009:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-59262-991717

(A digital version of the full text of p. 21165 is available here:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/59262/page/21165

and a digital version of the full text of Issue No. 59262 is available here, with p. 21165 being p. 1 in your document reader:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/59262))

and the other two appointments were those of Lord Cullen and then-Mr. Garth Morrison on November 30, 2007—see Notice No. 403362, Notice Type "State", Sub-Type "Change of Name and/or Arms" (sic) (Notice Code: 1107), The London Gazette, Issue No. 58529, p. 17439, Friday, November 30, 2007:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-58529-403362

(A digital version of the full text of p. 17439 is available here:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/58529/page/17439

and a digital version of the full text of Issue No. 58529 is available here, with p. 17439 being p. 1 in your document reader:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/58529)

See also the royal.uk Press Release "Appointments to the Order of the Thistle 2007", dated November 30, 2007:

https://www.royal.uk/appointments-order-thistle-2007

It seems, then, that the Order did indeed have its full complement of sixteen members on St. Andrew's Day 2009, and that was still the case the next time Thistle-related Holyrood Week activities occurred (that is, on July 15, 2010; see the Court Circular of that date. (In previous years, such activities occurred on July 2, 2003, July 7, 2006, and July 2, 2008.)) (Lords Elgin, Arbuthnott, and Crawford were each absent on July 15, 2010, but, as we'll soon see, they were alive at the time.) Indeed, the Order seems still to have had its full membership on May 29, 2012, the date of the royal.uk Press Release "New appointments to the Order of the Thistle":

https://www.royal.uk/new-appointments-order-thistle-0

(also available, in a slightly different format, at the same website under the headline "The Duke of Cambridge is appointed Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle by The Queen", with the same date:

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-appointed-knight-most-ancient-and-most-noble-order-thistle-queen)

Since the date of those two Press Releases, three Knights and one Lady of the Thistle have died, judging by the Court Circular:
  • Lord Arbuthnott's Memorial Service occurred on September 14, 2012, and his Thistle insignia were delivered up on November 14, 2012
  • Sir Garth Morrison's Memorial Service occurred on June 21, 2013, and his Thistle insignia were delivered up on March 5, 2014
  • the Service of Thanksgiving for the Life of Lady Marion Fraser occurred on February 9, 2017, and her Thistle insignia were delivered up on July 3, 2018; Lord Sutherland's Thistle insignia were delivered up on the latter date, too, and the Service of Thanksgiving for his Life occurred on October 16, 2018
Over the same period, five new Thistle Knights—one of them a Royal-Family Knight, and none Strangers—and no Ladies have been appointed; the Royal Knight was, as you might have noticed earlier, The Duke of Cambridge, whose appointment I logged in item 14 here:

https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2012/07/notes-tuesday-june-26-monday-july-16_16.html

(see also my comment in the combox there) and the other four Knights were
  • Lords Home and Smith, whose appointments I noted in item 13 here:

    https://cardinalpole.blogspot.com/2014/03/notes-tuesday-january-11-monday-march_17.html

    (and those two appointments seem to have brought the Order's membership back up to its full complement of sixteen, judging by the sixteen relevant participants in the Thistle-related Holyrood Week activities of 2014 (indeed, that seems to have continued to be the case when such activities occurred in 2016, given that Lord Crawford, though absent, was still alive; see the Court Circular for July 3, 2014 and July 7, 2016. (Thistle-related Holyrood Week activites occurred on July 5 in 2012.)))
It seems, then, that the current Knights and Ladies of the Thistle are (their respective names here abbreviated, with neither styles nor titles, and the date of appointment is November 30 unless another date is given):

Royal-Family Knights and Ladies: 1. The Queen (Sovereign of the Order since February 6, 1952; I have not been able to confirm that Her Majesty was not admitted to the Order before becoming Queen; it's perhaps not unlikely that The Queen did join the Order in the previous reign, given that "At the time of the coronation[of George VI.] - highly appropriate for a Queen[ Consort of that King] of Scottish birth - the King also appointed her the first Lady of the Thistle ever created." (my square-bracketed interpolations, s. v. "Honours" in the royal.uk Royal Encyclopaedia article "Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother":

https://www.royal.uk/queen-elizabeth-queen-mother

The exact date of Her late Majesty's admission to the Order was May 11, 1937, judging by the second full notice on p. 3074 of the Supplement (No. 34396) of Tuesday, May 11, 1937 to The London Gazette of Friday, May 7, 1937 (Issue No. 34395):

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34396/supplement/3074

(The full text of that Supplement is available here:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34396/data.pdf)))
2. The Duke of Edinburgh (April 21, 1952) 3. The Prince of Wales (February 11, 1977) 4. The Princess Royal (2000) 5. The Duke of Cambridge (May 29 or June 25, 2012)
(See the royal.uk Press Releases "Appointments to the Order of the Thistle", dated November 30, 2002:

https://www.royal.uk/appointments-order-thistle

or "New appointments to the Order of the Thistle", dated (incorrectly, as we saw earlier) November 30, 2003:

https://www.royal.uk/new-appointments-order-thistle

and "New appointments to the Order of the Thistle", dated May 29, 2012:

https://www.royal.uk/new-appointments-order-thistle-0

or "The Duke of Cambridge is appointed Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle by The Queen", dated May 29, 2012:

https://www.royal.uk/duke-cambridge-appointed-knight-most-ancient-and-most-noble-order-thistle-queen

and Notice No. 1621276, Notice Type "State", Sub-Type "Honours and Awards" (Notice Code: 1105), The London Gazette, Issue No. 60195, p. 12473, June 25, 2012 (printed Friday, June 29, 2012):

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/L-60195-1621276)

Stranger Knights or Ladies: None. (According to the Encyclopædia Britannica article "The Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle", "The only foreigner admitted has been King Olaf V of Norway." (hyperlink in the original):

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Most-Ancient-and-Most-Noble-Order-of-the-Thistle)

Other Knights (currently no Ladies): 1. Lord Elgin (1981) 2. Lord Airlie (November 29, 1985) 3. Lord Crawford (November 29, 1996) 4. Lord Macfarlane (November 29, 1996) 5. Lord Mackay (November 27, 1997) 6. Lord Wilson (2000) 7. Sir Eric Anderson (2002) 8. Lord Steel (2004) 9. Lord Robertson (2004) 10. Lord Cullen (2007) 11. Lord Hope (2009) 12. Lord Patel (2009) 13. Lord Home (2013) 14. Lord Smith (2013) 15. The Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry (2017) 16. Sir Ian Wood (June 9, 2018)
(Instead of verifying that list by removing the subsequently-deceased Knights and Lady from and adding the subsequently-appointed Knights to the 2004 list, one could verify it by consulting the July 6, 2018 (last year's date of Thistle-related Holyrood Week activities) issue of the Court Circular and confirming that the non-Royal participants and the only two non-Royal absentees—Lords Elgin and Crawford—are still alive.)

(I have also consulted the Wikipedia article "Order of the Thistle" and its "View history" page.)

Labels: Ian Wood, Order of the Thistle, Richard Buccleuch

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Feast of St. Andrew Corsini, Bishop, Confessor, A.D. 2019

Appendix: Links to all available Garter- or Thistle-related royal.uk Press Releases:

Garter-related:
Thistle-related:
Labels: Order of the Garter, Order of the Thistle
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